Bag machine and winder

A method and apparatus for making and winding bags is disclosed. The bag machine includes an unwind section, a forming section, and a winder. The winder has an infeed nip and two spindles. Each spindle is located along a respective one of two alternative film paths. The spindles can be fixed position spindles and the alternative film paths can be predominantly downward. An over speed nip may be provided between the infeed nip and the alternative film paths to separate rolls or to separate all bags. An overlapper can be included. Rods that travel in an elliptical orbit, and/or air nozzles can be part of the overlapper. Air nozzles can also be used to direct the film to the appropriate alternative path. Conveyor belts along the alternative film paths can be used to guide the film. Static pinners can be used to help hold the bags to the conveyor, or the last bag to the roll. Pop-up fingers and air horns can help start the roll on a spindle. Paper banders can be use, as can pneumatic devices. A push off device that scrape the spindles over substantially 360 degrees can be used.